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Wow, I mean WOW. I'm completely blown away. I'm talking about the LOVE MEME at [livejournal.com profile] lokifan's journal! AAAAHHHHHH people are being so kind and ridiculously amazing and it's SO GREAT to read, I'm just obsessively reading other people's threads and feeling all happy and choked and contented and EEEEEEEEEEEE. Fandom really is the best place. And someone said I made Draco's exposed wrist when he's stirring soup hot AAAHHHH YESS I CAN DIE HAPPY. Thank you very much to everyone who has contributed to that utterly glorious meme, it's a joy, such a joy.

And then I saw Fantastic Beasts. The non-spoilery version is that I feel quite mixed about it, and liked it a lot less than I was expecting, which was a real surprise to me? But that there was a lot of good in it, too. And the spoilery version is below.

I think my main problem was that there was just too much crammed into 2 hours 13 minutes. There were such a lot of new characters and settings to introduce, and I felt like we kept racing from one to another and this felt ultimately unsatisfying. I didn't feel like we got more than a snapshot of the personalities involved, and the relationships between them were mostly sketchy at best. It also felt like two films, one with Newt being all adorable and making new friends and having hijinks with his kooky creatures, and one with Credence and Graves and Mary Lou and dark forces and angst and death chambers (what the FUCK was that? Really?). And they couldn't decide which tone they were going for, so they tried both, and it... just didn't work, for me at least.

I liked Newt a lot; Eddie Redmayne is a very loveable actor, and Newt is a beautiful character, although I would have liked more things about him explored. Why did people find him annoying? He seemed mostly charming. I love his physical awkwardness, his single-mindedness, his loner characteristics, and his self-deprecation. I also thought he was quite asexual, which was actually refeshing in a male lead? But then made for this awkward, unconvincing arc with Tina.

I didn't warm to Tina at all. Again, it was refreshing to have a female lead who wasn't overtly sexual, but I found her cold and her motives were sort of confusing and unbelievable. She seemed to spend most of the film frowning. When she and Newt had their little moment at the end, I felt... odd. There was absolutely no chemistry between them throughout the film and then when he touched her hair, it felt inappropriate and.... ugh. I didn't like it. I can't imagine shipping Newt with anyone at the moment, but I'm prepared to be proved wrong, heh. I also felt unsatisfied with his relationship with Jacob - he said near the end, "I like you. You're my friend," and it's clearly this touching moment, but I didn't FEEL that connection between them during the film, even though I wanted to.

Have to say Queenie and Jacob were adorable together. I liked Queenie far more than I thought I would. The actory played her so appealingly, she had a real charm. I read a review which said something like "never since Ron bagged Hermione has a man got a witch so out of his league", but I found her attraction to Jacob quite believable in that she clearly fell in love with his mind, ahhhhh. Personally, I find Dan Fogler attractive anyway, so pppffffftttt.

Jacob was a joy, an utter joy. Which brings me onto the part I really, REALLY hated: when Jacob got Obliviated. I was absolutely devastated by this. I loved Jacob so much. He's the film's beloved Muggle character, who is allowed to come along for the ride with the magical people, who is explicitly told "You're one of us now" (and this clearly meant a lot to him as he echoes it back to Queenie later), and he allows everyone in the audience to feel the wonder of the magical world through his reactions and awe. He's US, he's all of us in fandom. We're not wizards, but when we watch Jacob, we feel like we could be, and that we could be accepted and valued in the magical world. I found this so powerfully affecting. I thought it was a genius move, really a gift to the audience, and then-

FUCK. They Obliviated him. They could have fought it, found a way out of it - MACUSA didn't even stick around to make sure it was done, but no. He walked willingly into the rain because he thought it was the right thing to do, and he's a profoundly good guy, and they stood and watched him. FUCK. I flat out hated this. I know it was meant to pull at our heartstrings, and I was fighting tears through the whole scene, but I didn't let myself cry because I was so ANGRY. There was just no need to do it, and I felt BETRAYED, that the film makers did this on purpose, showed him the reality of the magical world and let him feel a part of it, let us share his joy and then TOOK IT AWAY. Purely to make us sniffle a bit into our popcorn.

I seriously think this was a DICK MOVE, and I'm not going to forgive them for it. I'm guessing Jacob doesn't stay Obliviated? He clearly has some memories as we see at the end - I *adored* the pastry Nifflers, so hard - and recognises something in Queenie that's more than "ooh, pretty lady in my shop." They've left it open for him to rejoin the magical world in the future. In which case why make the Obliviation scene so painful? Just to fuck with us? I hated it. Truly.

The other character I loved was Credence. God, I love the misfits and the freaks. I want all the Credence backstory and I want him in the rest of the series and I *whisper* I think I want Credence fic. Possibly with Graves pinning him up against a wall in an alleyway and-- Yep. Sorry. But they killed him? Again, wtf? I'm just.... huh? It felt cheap, again, like our sympathies were aroused for this fucked-up person, who just happened to be ANOTHER magically gifted child raised in an abusive setting by Muggles, with his magical parentage denied through fear and bigotry. So there's those parallels, which got all of my feels rampaging around for this character who was the catalyst for so much of the film's action, and a brilliantly compelling creation from Ezra Miller, and then they go, "Yeah, kill him off." AUGH?

Aaaaaand GRAVES. OMG. I wasn't expecting to have Graves feels. He kind of took me aback at the fan event when they showed us the first 10 mins, and he was standing in the rubble with his coat all billowing, and my ovaries sort of sat up and went "HHHNGH?" He was so physically excellent. I think this is the first time I've seen an actor make magic look the way I imagine it to look when done by a powerful wizard. He had complete conviction, the way he moved, all of his gestures, the way he used his wand, his whole body going with it. It looked natural and flawless and powerful and really HOT. I approve 100% and am going to use this for inspiration when I'm writing people casting spells. I've seen interviews with the other actors, Eddie, Alison and Katherine, where they each said they felt so awkward with their wands at first, like self-conscious and silly. I think they did a good job in the end, but Graves was just GRRRRRRR YES, he clearly had no such qualms about feeling silly, he WAS a wizard. I adored that. And his voice was also wonderful.

So then, the Graves reveal - AUGH again! I wanted more of Graves being sinister with Credence in alleyways! I need menacing intense Colin Farrell whispering, not bad Johnny Depp German! I have to say, I enjoyed the surprise of the reveal, even though it was a bit daft. [livejournal.com profile] who_la_hoop saw it coming from the beginning. We were laughing at Grindelwald thinking, "I know, I'll change my complete appearance EXCEPT FOR THE HAIRCUT. I have to keep the evil sexy haircut at all costs." :D

The beasts... I was worried this would be a problem for me, and, yep, it was. I'm really not into beasts. I LOVED the Niffler. It was cute and hilarious, and the scene where it's hiding in the jewellery shop window with its arm outstretched as Newt walks by is probably my favourite thing ever.



Yep, I'd watch a LOT more of the Niffler. But the others... *sigh*. There were so MANY of them, and really, Newt's suitcase was cool, but that looooong section with all of the beasts really didn't hold my attention. I find it hard to care about things that are basically CGI creations. I admit Pickett was cute, but the rest felt like, "Here's a lot of pretty magic things to amuse the children in the audience." But then it wasn't really a children's film.

And so many confusing questions. Why did Newt have to take a boat and go through Muggle customs? What happened to Portkeys and Apparating? They Apparate all over the fucking place throughout the rest of the film, and there seems no internal logic (eg "You can't Apparate in the grounds of Hogwarts") to it. Ditto Accioing things - they didn't REALLY need a teapot, did they (I was starting to see why Newt said people found him irritating, at this point) and if they did, er, how about using magic, instead of throwing a cockroach twenty feet into a TEAPOT (sorry, the teapot really got my goat).

And the death chamber? HELP? That was sick and sinister and HUHHHH? They decide to kill them, but they're going to suck out their memories and put them in a bath of magical acid first, so they can willingly go into it and be consumed very slowly (giving them time to escape)? And if there's two people this is happening to, they let the second one watch the first dying?? I can't TELL you what my face was doing during this bit. And the Lestrange teasers? Where are they going with that?

So, can anyone explain why Grindelwald wanted to find the Obscurial? I didn't get that at all. And was Ariana Dumbledore an Obscurus too? I like this new canon, but I am confused by it.

I also had mixed feelings about the clothes. Graves looked EXCELLENT. My feelings on Newt's outfit are probably clear from my obsession with it. But in general, people weren't wizardy enough. The Aurors looked shit, I'm sorry. They should look magical and amazing, and not have leather macs and bad hats.

To sum up: It feels like a nice set up for a longer story, introducing lots of new details about the magical world (and random beautiful things like: magical umbrellas! YESSS!). The plot is presumably leading up to the war, and that's all exciting and cool. But I feel like they can't decide WHICH story IS the story, and I hope the later films have more clarity about that. I hope they find a way to give the characters enough airtime for us to really get to know them. And that there are fewer beasts. Which I admit seems unlikely, given the name of the franchise.

I read a few reviews and this one says a lot of what I think, and also this one, but more elegantly. I agree with pretty much all of that first review except the griffin - I didn't give a fuck about the griffin :D

I would LOVE to hear what people think about any of this! I'm so interested in different reactions to the film! I'm going with other friends on Sunday, and I'll see how I feel after seeing it a second time.


Oh and one more thing, who_la_hoop, who is an ACTUAL REAL WIZARD, managed to get Cursed Child tickets on the Friday 40  where they release 40 of the best tickets each week for a ludicrous low price, So we're going again! On Thursday and Friday (we have to watch it on two separate days this time) and I am part stunned, part excited, and part terrified for my soul, ahahahahahaaaa. And I realise I never finished my reviews of it from last time, sigh. One day I will get to all my unfinished projects, but not today.

LOVE TO EVERYONE!  ♥

ETA: the comments are pretty spoilery, too, so please take care! 

****SPOILERS****

Date: 2016-11-19 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vaysh
Love Meme. ♥ I plan to role around in it all weekend! :)

I have a whole lot of questions about FF, much like you do. But I really loved the movie, loved it WAY, WAY MORE THAN THE CURSED CHILD SCRIPT! It's a whole new world, it felt fresh in many ways. AND I LOVE THE CREATURES. That world Newt is hiding in his suitcase, the wizarding space: I love that to pieces. It's where for me the friendship between Jacob and Newt showed the most. All the scenes where Newt told Jacob about the creatures - this was his way of showing this Muggle what he cares about, and then Jacob does care about the creatures, too. I love that bonding between them over the creatures. And Newt just shines when he is in his world.

I agree that Tina had a lot of potential but it was not really working as a character. I admit, I do not fully understand the backstory that connected her to Credence. I felt there was a part missing in the movie where we get to see how Tina met Credence and Mary Lou and how she wanted to save Credence. Yes, the movie was already choke-full of new characters, and introducing a new world, but Tina's character really suffered because we never got her backstory. Also, yes, WTF was the death chamber?

As for Credence, have you heard about the deleted scene at the end of the movie? The deleted scene shows a bit of the destroyed Obscurus escaping, implying that Credence, or at last some magical part of him, did not die. I think this is the reason, too, why Newt is keeping the Obscurus in his world: because it is still a part of the witch or wizard whose magic got suppressed.

I LOVE THE OBLIVIATING SCENE. It was the most emotional scene of the movie, and I loved how they took time for it, with the rain doing the Obliviating. Yes, I cried, but I really loved it.

I agree that Newt is more of an asexual character, but I understood the connection he felt with Tina - because they both wanted to save Credence. Yes, it could have been done better, but I am happy if those two become friends, and it's not a romantic lead.

The romantic lead (as we will not get Newt/Jacob ;)) should totally be Queenie/Jacob. I hope they will give us more of Queenie than just a bit of pin-up and oh, yes, she can read minds and she's a great cook. But JACOB TOTALLY STOLE THE SHOW. I've read reviews that say he is just the comic relief character who gets the fat jokes but I don't think so at all: I think of Jacob as JKR's apology for how she always uses body shapes to characterise people negatively, and the utterly annoying fat jokes in the HP series. Jacob is the character the audience identifies with most, I think, he is us - the Muggle with a dream who gets drawn into the magical world. And he does not look like a movie-star. :) I love that immensely about the movie. Fandom being what fandom is, I doubt we will see much Newt/Jacob slash but I hope some people will be going for it.

I have been a huge fan of Colin Farrell already, and FF really only became exciting for me since I heard about his casting. He's certainly the star of the movie. His performance is awesome, and as you say, he conveys a sense of the power of magic like no other character in the movie. I hope we haven't seen the last of him (but fear it). I cannot believe they did give away the Grindelwald reveal with Graves' hair-do from the very start. ;) Not sure what to think of the Grindelwald/Johnny Depp thing - I guess we have to see how that story line pans out.

I understand what you mean about FF being two movies in one - the fun, slap-stick one with the "beasts are escaping from the magical suitcase" story line, and the dark one with the Anti-Salemers and the abuse of Credence and the other kids at the hands of Mary-Lou and the whole Graves/Credence story line. I checked, there is already Graves/Credence slash on AO3. :) Which: utterly predictable. ;) I am curious about this pairing, too, and very curious what else fandom will make with all that FF has to offer.

Re: ****SPOILERS****

Date: 2016-11-19 02:28 pm (UTC)
vaysh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] vaysh
Here's the news about the deleted ending scene: [X]

Heyman said:
Talking to Cinemablend, director David Heyman has revealed that indeed, we haven’t seen the last of Credence and in fact, a scene showing him alive and well at the end of the movie, was cut, as it made it all too obvious:

“We actually had a scene, which we cut, which was Credence going to a boat, to get on a boat somewhere else. But we cut that, because we didn’t want to have it be such an, ‘Ahhh, here we go.'”

Heyman adds that the final scene was of Credence boarding a boat out of New York City, which was “maybe a boat with Newt, maybe not.”

I am pretty sure the next movie will have Credence on the same ship as Newt when he goes to Paris.
Edited Date: 2016-11-19 02:29 pm (UTC)

Re: ****SPOILERS****

Date: 2016-11-19 03:12 pm (UTC)
vaysh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] vaysh
The thing you learn in Marvel fandom: a character is only ever really dead if you see his actual torn-apart or shot and very dead body. :) Everybody else does come back.

You are right, Queenie was a delightful character, and it's all owed to the actress. I just wish they would not go for such a blatantly sexist scenario to introduce a woman, in the 1930's, too, even if Queenie is all innocence about it. I really loved how casual it was introduced that she can read minds, and that short dialogue between her and Newt, with him asking her to not read his mind, was very intriguing.

I have been thinking more about Tina, and she really interests me, perhaps exactly because there is so little we hear about her in the movie.

RE: Re: ****SPOILERS****

Date: 2016-11-19 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carpemermaid.livejournal.com
I really loved how casual it was introduced that she can read minds, and that short dialogue between her and Newt, with him asking her to not read his mind, was very intriguing.

Ohhh yes! I love how she was a super talented Legilimens, just up and reading everyone's minds with ease and barely any effort? That was really interesting! I want to know more about her in regards to this, was it something she learned at school or has she always had the skill? Did it get her into trouble wherever she went?

I have been thinking more about Tina, and she really interests me, perhaps exactly because there is so little we hear about her in the movie.

Yes! I really want to know more about Tina's backstory, and her motivations to become an Auror!

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