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I was just searching for info on the Notice-Me-Not charm, and there isn't any, because it's a FANON INVENTION. NOOO! Really? The first webpage I found where someone was asking about it, had some smartarse saying "I think you'll find that's just a sad FAN FICTION thing, you poor deluded fool", I was smirking away: "heh, that's what you think, I have seen it in LOADS OF.....er.... loads of fics. Err. Ahem."

Did you all know this? Who made it up? What other fanon things have become so widespread that they can fool us like this? I know about Tempus, but can you tell me any others?
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Date: 2013-06-16 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gamma-x-orionis.livejournal.com
*Confused eyes* I'm not familiar with a Notice-Me-Not charm - I suppose it's never made its way over to my corners of the fandom.

Sex-related spells are very widespread of course, but I don't think anyone thinks stretching/lubeing/orgasm-inducing spells are canon ;P

Erm. And if the incantation is a literal Latin word (like one you can plug through Google translate and get the exact meaning of the spell), that's usually a good indication that it's made-up.

Certain characterization tropes are this way too, I suppose - I've run across plenty of people trying to make arguments that leatherpants!Draco in particular is canon :P

Date: 2013-06-16 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakstone730.livejournal.com
Tempis isn't canon? That one I didn't know.

Snape being Draco's godfather is fanon, I believe. Or is it one of those post-publication reveals by JKR? Can't remember.

Date: 2013-06-16 02:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vaysh
Alas, Notice-me-not is not a canon spell. I still like it. It feels like it could be a canon spell as its magic fits right into Rowling's universe. There are stealth sensoring charms, so it doesn't seem a far stretch that there could be charms with the opposite effect. And there is the Disillusionment Spell and the spell to make things unplottable.

Date: 2013-06-16 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vaysh
Snape being Draco's godfather is fanon, I believe.
Total fanon, I'm afraid. A Malfoy would never have a half-blood with no connections in the Muggle world be the godfather of his only son and heir.

Date: 2013-06-16 02:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] torino10154
I think it's just the Disillusionment Charm but yeah, fanon-ified. I think Glamours the way fandom uses them is certainly not canon but then again I don't think anyone thinks they are.

Date: 2013-06-16 02:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vaysh
We don't know what Draco was up to in the years between the end of book 7 and the Epilogue. He might as well have developed a penchant for leather pants when he goes out and hits the gay clubs of London. But obviously he wouldn't wear them when bringing his son to the Hogwarts' Express. ;)

Date: 2013-06-16 02:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vaysh
No Glamours in canon. Otherwise you would not need the Disillusionment Charm or Polyjuice.

Date: 2013-06-16 02:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] vaysh
A thousand fanfics prove you right. :)

Date: 2013-06-16 02:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] capitu
I can only think of that charm to correct someone's vision.

I think that's completely fanon and I always thought it was canon; that somewhere in the books someone said this was possible to correct Harry's? Or maybe someone else's eyesight with a spell, but discussing it back in a post I made about fun facts, turns out that's just made up.

Date: 2013-06-16 02:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] capitu
LOL I read a fic like that, you know. ;)

Date: 2013-06-16 02:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] capitu
Yeah, in fact, that's one of the profession I think I'd love to have; developing new charms, not just variations of an existing Charm, but real new spells, you know?

Date: 2013-06-16 02:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hollys_tree
There's also the way people use "silencing charms" like Silencio and Muffliato in fic, for example to hide what the characters are doing behind the curtains of their beds. This doesn't work that way.

Silencio is used on someone to make them mute, and Muffliato creates a buzzing sound in someone's ear, so they can't eavesdrop. (personally I would be super suspicious if suddenly there was that sound in my ear... just saying)

I don't think a canon charm to sound-proof yourself against surroundings exist.

Date: 2013-06-16 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isinuyasha.livejournal.com
I think fandom has influenced me so much that I sometimes can't distinguish between the books and fanfiction anymore...but I'm not sad about that, I feel fandom has extended the Harry Potter world for me a lot :D

Isn't the Tracking Charm/Spell invented as well? I'm not sure...I know that there's the Trace but I read on HPwiki that Remus says it cannot be placed on an adult? Maybe I'm imagining that :D

And I've often read about the Stasis Charm (on food, potions, a person etc.) but can't remember reading it in the books...not sure :D

Date: 2013-06-16 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mab.livejournal.com
The only thing that is sort of iffy about that in canon, is when Hermione altered Ron's appearance in DH, so they could get into Gringott's with her posing as Bellatrix, as they were out of Polyjuice... Still I suppose that's more of a Transfiguration than a Charm... so couldn't be called a Glamour.

Interesting subject.

Date: 2013-06-16 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] talithan.livejournal.com
Actually, in DH when they go to Gringotts, Hermione alters Ron's appearance with her wand (as they only have enough Polyjuice left for her, and Harry is under his cloak). That and the reference to changing eyebrow colors in Charms in HBP are enough to make me consider glamour charms pretty canon. Perhaps not quite the way they are used in fic, but not 100% fanon. It seems Polyjuice is just a lot more effective if you want to be completely unrecognizable.
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