FAAAAAANtastic Beasts. Yes, again. I have THOUGHTS, and questions.

[birdsofshore]

So, first of all, two questions and some other discussion for anyone who's seen the film:

Did you notice about Graves being SOOO interested in why Dumbledore was fond of Newt? Gosh, I didn't even think about it til I saw the film the second time knowing Graves was Grindelwald, and then it gave me shivers, how much that question obviously meant to him. I thought that was really cool and clever, and they even showed it in the trailer, and we had NO IDEA. O_O I love that.

I borrowed the script from the library specifically to check on what Grindelwald said to Newt at the end, because it was incomprehensible! Apparently it was: "Will we die, just a little?" WTF does THAT mean? I read a theory that suggested Grindelwald and Newt have ~history, and that does make sense, really, because he addresses this directly to Newt, and this line of dialogue is so inexplicable at the moment, but maybe it means something to Newt? Any ideas on this?

Then, I read the Credence/Graves scene that those of us sick enough to be into twisted grooming really enjoyed, and I think it's actually MORE homo-erotic in the script:

"GRAVES gently, almost seductively, moves his thumb across the cuts, healing them instantly. CREDENCE stares...

GRAVES seems to make a decision. He puts on an earnest, trustworthy expression as, from his pocket, he produces a chain bearing the symbol of the Deathly Hallows.

GRAVES: I want you to have this, Credence. I would trust very few with it -

GRAVES moves close, placing the chain around CREDENCE's neck as he whispers.

GRAVES: Very few.

GRAVES places his hands on either side of CREDENCE's neck, drawing him in, his speech quiet, intimate.

GRAVES: ...but you - you're different.

CREDENCE is unsure, both nervous of and attracted by GRAVE's behaviour...

GRAVES moves even closer to CREDENCE, his face inches from the boy's neck - the effect is both alluring and threatening - as he whispers.

GRAVES: Do this and you will be honoured among wizards. For ever.

GRAVES pulls CREDENCE into a hug which, with his hand on CREDENCE's neck, seems more controlling than affectionate. CREDENCE, overwhelmed by the seeming affection, closes his eyes and relaxes slightly."

OMG, and YES PLEASE. ♥

And some spoilers about the rest of the series, for people who don't mind discussing that:

NO MORE GRAVES! I am really quite mopingly unhappy about this. WOE and bugger, bugger, bugger. This info came from David Heyman in the interview here: Snitchseeker interview . And the Credence/Graves ship is doomed before it properly began *waiiiiillll*

(my son J says this is how most people feel about Sirius dying in HP and it serves me right. !!!)

CREDENCE LIVES: The script has a little description of his apparent death which shows AHA he's not gone...

As Newt follows Madam Picquery’s gaze, he sees a tendril of black matter, a small part of the Obscurus, floating down through the roof. Unnoticed by anyone else, it eventually floats up and away, trying to reconnect with its host.

And apparently A deleted scene showed him boarding a boat at the end of the film. This is great news, but I cannot be truly content without the prospect of more Graves/Credence alleyway angst.

And apparently, we can expect a fadeout of Newt, Tina, Queenie and Jacob as main characters, to be replaced by Grindelwald, Credence and Dumbledore. I thought the first film was pretty dark and depressing on the whole, and it seems the tone of the series will if anything get darker? I'm not sure how I feel about this, but if Credence is involved, it can't be all bad. :DD

And finally: still no news about the casting of Dumbledore... what do you think? Any hopes or fears?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. ♥

Comments

[carpemermaid.livejournal.com]

I saw a hilarious post on tumblr about Graves/Grindelwald's interest in Dumbledore lol, it said something along the lines of being a jealous/possessive boyfriend.

"Will we die, just a little?"
Maybe... and, I'm just shooting in the dark with guesses here, but maybe it has to do with the Obscurus? Maybe it's a hint about Credence?? Maybe, even though Credence is still alive, a part of him dies when the Obscurial is destroyed by the Aurors? Which, if that's the case, would tie it closer to Horcruxes perhaps? IDK IDK??

And that is some SUPER suggestive scene direction lmao! And really interesting to see that alongside how Colin and Ezra played out the scene.

I'm pretty sad about the idea of them phasing out Newt, especially after the bait and switch feel. I mean, I'm totally interested in more Credence and Dumbledore, but I'm left feeling a bit cheated to be introduced to these lovely characters only for them to fade out of importance.

[digthewriter]

Did you notice about Graves being SOOO interested in why Dumbledore was fond of Newt?

That was the first thing I said to my partner when we left the theatre.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_melodic_/]

OMG YES! Thank you for posting that part of the script. Ahhhh it makes me Credence/Grave feels explode with excitement. I've literally been becoming and more obsessed with them.

Also I am so down with a nice dark Wizarding film. Don't get me wrong, I love the Harry Potter series for all its magic and wonderment and joy and humour but at the same time I found the last few books and movies to be the best, when we really get into the dark, serious and gritty stuff. The idea of a more adult-themed Harry Potter film gets me super excited. And OMG more Credence!! I hope they don't ruin him or his relationship so that I can joyfully ship him and "Graves" forever and ever.

[amorette.livejournal.com]

Did you notice about Graves being SOOO interested in why Dumbledore was fond of Newt?

OMG!! I literally just realized I should be viewing this from the context of Grindelwald saying it. Duhh. Omg there is so much we could conjecture here LOL. I live for it. Like, was he implying some sort of ~~jealousyyy~~???

o_O

:D

It makes me hopefuly for requited romantic feelings between Albus and Gellert. I was talking to someone else and we were like, watch them make it unrequited and Albus just pined for Gellert forever. Sadness.

[enchanted-jae.livejournal.com]

I was a bit "Wha...?" at the homoerotic aspect of "Graves" and his interactions with Credence, but once I discovered he was Grindelwald, it made perfect sense!

No wonder poor Dumbles found him so alluring.

[shiftylinguini.livejournal.com]

OH WHAT credence is maybe alive?!?!?! oh gosh, that's very interesting!!!! I saw Newt watch the little black tendril, but I wasn't totally sure what i should read into that (and i really, really needed to pee at that point, so all my thoughts were 50% bladder related lmao)

This totally changes my view on a LOT of things, specifically him, and oohhhhh getting darker - I am totally okay with that. I did find that whole hand-healing scene to tender and amazing and completely wrong in a hundred thousand different ways and I am very keen to sit and mull this all over, argh and the hug, good lord more controlling than affectionate, how very accurate!

my little mind is whirring after seeing this film!!

[cloelockless2.livejournal.com]

Squeeeeeee! Thank you so much for the script parts! These Graves/Credence interactions were a dream come true, I couldn't believe my eyes \o/ And the underlying accusation in Graves interrogation of Newt was so ... I flailed. Actually I think that was the line that gave Gr. away for me XD
I am so excited that it will be more a Grindelwald series than a Newt series (although I adore the character that just came to life). I was wondering how in the world they were going to make Newt the main good guy and Grindelwald the main bad guy. It didn't make any sense to me. I can see how their paths could intersect but they can't be archenemies...
I really hope they don't ruin the Dumbledore/Grindelwald storyline.
I keep repeating to myself "trust Rowling with this", she always put details in with a purpose. "Will we die, just a little" is so intriguing.
Graves was so seductive, I wonder how Depp will live up to the challenge and how they'll find a Dumbledore that'll make the chemistry believable. And how Credence will interact with either Newt or Grindelwald... I'm thrilled that we'll get to see more of him.

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[anemonen.livejournal.com]

Ahhh finally able to flail about the film!! I saw it a while ago but haven't had time. But yes!! Loved it so much! And now I really want to watch it again and notice all the things, like Graves being so interested in Dumbledore :O

I'm going to answer your last post here too, and yes! I loved how Redmayne played Newt. It's so nice to see a hero that's so awkward. All the things you mentioned about his hesitance with eye contact and his gait and everything. And how passionate he was about his creatures. I can totally see Luna with someone who's grown up with Newt's influence :)

And Credence! I've seen Ezra Miller do some fantastic roles before (creepily offputting in 'We need to talk about Kevin' and so charming in 'Perks of being a wallflower'), so I was excited to see him here. And that he'll come back! With you on loving Queenie and Kowalski and their chemistry. Also guttet that he was obliviated, but the last scene with the pastries and Queenie in his shop was delightful.

And! My favourite thing - so many films just tear apart cities and we never hear anything about the devastation, but here they put it back together and it was beautiful. That made me weirdly happy <3